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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/journeypeople%20inital%20conversation/near/159715158" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/journeypeople.20inital.20conversation.html#159715158">(Mar 01 2019 at 13:57)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116266">@Santiago Pastorino</span> did you get a chance to summarize this conversation?</p>



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<p>yes</p>



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<p>shaping it up a bit</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/journeypeople%20inital%20conversation/near/159715462" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/journeypeople.20inital.20conversation.html#159715462">(Mar 01 2019 at 14:00)</a>:</h4>
<p>will share it in &lt; 5 minutes</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/journeypeople%20inital%20conversation/near/159715478" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/journeypeople.20inital.20conversation.html#159715478">(Mar 01 2019 at 14:00)</a>:</h4>
<p>should I put it on paper doc?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/journeypeople%20inital%20conversation/near/159715753" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/journeypeople.20inital.20conversation.html#159715753">(Mar 01 2019 at 14:03)</a>:</h4>
<p>I would open a PR on the compiler-team repo</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/journeypeople%20inital%20conversation/near/159715770" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/journeypeople.20inital.20conversation.html#159715770">(Mar 01 2019 at 14:03)</a>:</h4>
<p>we should make a <code>minutes</code> directory in <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/compiler-team/tree/master/working-groups/meta" target="_blank" title="https://github.com/rust-lang/compiler-team/tree/master/working-groups/meta">https://github.com/rust-lang/compiler-team/tree/master/working-groups/meta</a></p>



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<p>and maybe put in there?</p>



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<p>but a paper doc is also ok</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/journeypeople%20inital%20conversation/near/159715883" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> davidtwco <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/journeypeople.20inital.20conversation.html#159715883">(Mar 01 2019 at 14:04)</a>:</h4>
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<p>we should make a <code>minutes</code> directory in <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/compiler-team/tree/master/working-groups/meta" target="_blank" title="https://github.com/rust-lang/compiler-team/tree/master/working-groups/meta">https://github.com/rust-lang/compiler-team/tree/master/working-groups/meta</a></p>
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<p>Isn't that the <code>NOTES.md</code>?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/journeypeople%20inital%20conversation/near/159715904" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/journeypeople.20inital.20conversation.html#159715904">(Mar 01 2019 at 14:04)</a>:</h4>
<p>that's a question I have, when is people using paper docs? when is people using github repos?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/journeypeople%20inital%20conversation/near/159715944" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/journeypeople.20inital.20conversation.html#159715944">(Mar 01 2019 at 14:05)</a>:</h4>
<p>is paper doc in some cases preferred over github or it's just that is something that is not defined?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/journeypeople%20inital%20conversation/near/159715954" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/journeypeople.20inital.20conversation.html#159715954">(Mar 01 2019 at 14:05)</a>:</h4>
<p>it could be even that is a not interesting thing to define</p>



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<p>unsure :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/journeypeople%20inital%20conversation/near/159715989" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/journeypeople.20inital.20conversation.html#159715989">(Mar 01 2019 at 14:05)</a>:</h4>
<p>but it feels like it's hard to keep track what stuff is out there</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/journeypeople%20inital%20conversation/near/159716183" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/journeypeople.20inital.20conversation.html#159716183">(Mar 01 2019 at 14:07)</a>:</h4>
<div class="codehilite"><pre><span></span># Roles of journeypeople and team members (questions raised)

- What do we want to solve from a compiler-team and from a member perspective?
  - Help to grow the team by ensuring that we engage people who&#39;ve started to get active in rustc?
  - Provide a source of people who can help implement things without needing as much mentoring?

- What the journeyperson role means?
  - You know something about the compiler?
  - People willing to commit some time to help run things
  - Should a journeypeople be able to onboard more compiler contributors?
  - r+ rights?
  - Start to do reviews?
  - What should a journeypeople do?

- What does a compiler team member means?

- What&#39;s the difference between journeypeople and team members?
  - full members know &gt;1 area?
  - or full members know enough to independently lead a WG in some area?

- What&#39;s the way to get into a journeypeople role?
  - Does compiler team members freely propose them and the team make a final call?
  - Is there some formal mechanism for that?

- What&#39;s the way to go from journeypeople to full compiler member?

- Is there some sort of ettiquette that journeypeople should represent?
  - What about team members?
</pre></div>



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<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116009">@nikomatsakis</span> <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116107">@davidtwco</span> does this ^^^ sounds like what we discussed?</p>



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<p>do you want to add/remove something?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/journeypeople%20inital%20conversation/near/159716290" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/journeypeople.20inital.20conversation.html#159716290">(Mar 01 2019 at 14:08)</a>:</h4>
<p>should I just open a PR and you can make corrections there? :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/journeypeople%20inital%20conversation/near/159716361" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/journeypeople.20inital.20conversation.html#159716361">(Mar 01 2019 at 14:09)</a>:</h4>
<p>I think I also added one or two things that I considered missing, given that those are basically questions I guessed it didn't hurt</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/journeypeople%20inital%20conversation/near/159716610" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/journeypeople.20inital.20conversation.html#159716610">(Mar 01 2019 at 14:11)</a>:</h4>
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<p>that's a question I have, when is people using paper docs? when is people using github repos?</p>
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<p>I like paper docs for active collaboration, github repo for "finished" things</p>



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<p>you could view this particular thing in both ways, I think :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/journeypeople%20inital%20conversation/near/159716708" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/journeypeople.20inital.20conversation.html#159716708">(Mar 01 2019 at 14:12)</a>:</h4>
<p>this is why I suggested a <code>minutes</code> directory, though, since in that case it's just recording the conversation we had</p>



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<p>Isn't that the <code>NOTES.md</code>?</p>
</blockquote>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116107">@davidtwco</span> I don't think so. I think NOTES.md should be less detailed.</p>



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<p>That is, I would think of NOTES.md as being "we are going to present a report on what has happened"</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/journeypeople%20inital%20conversation/near/159716887" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/journeypeople.20inital.20conversation.html#159716887">(Mar 01 2019 at 14:13)</a>:</h4>
<p>whereas the minutes is a detailed summary</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/journeypeople%20inital%20conversation/near/159717044" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> davidtwco <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/journeypeople.20inital.20conversation.html#159717044">(Mar 01 2019 at 14:15)</a>:</h4>
<p>I'm pretty happy with that summary. There's one or two places where I feel there could be more detail. For example:</p>
<blockquote>
<p>Does compiler team members freely propose them and the team make a final call?</p>
</blockquote>
<p>This point doesn't mention about the mentoring aspect of that suggestion. In that proposed process, a compiler team member nominates a new journeyperson, and is then responsible for mentoring and walking them through the responsibilities of that role, and then it is made final by other people from the compiler team agreeing.</p>
<p>But otherwise, it's great.</p>



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<p>I don't know what the part about "Is there some sort of ettiquette that journeypeople should represent?" quite meant</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/journeypeople%20inital%20conversation/near/159717180" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/journeypeople.20inital.20conversation.html#159717180">(Mar 01 2019 at 14:16)</a>:</h4>
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<p>I'm pretty happy with that summary. There's one or two places where I feel there could be more detail. For example:</p>
<blockquote>
<p>Does compiler team members freely propose them and the team make a final call?</p>
</blockquote>
<p>This point doesn't mention about the mentoring aspect of that suggestion. In that proposed process, a compiler team member nominates a new journeyperson, and is then responsible for mentoring and walking them through the responsibilities of that role, and then it is made final by other people from the compiler team agreeing.</p>
<p>But otherwise, it's great.</p>
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<p><span aria-label="+1" class="emoji emoji-1f44d" role="img" title="+1">:+1:</span></p>



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<p>I don't know what the part about "Is there some sort of ettiquette that journeypeople should represent?" quite meant</p>
</blockquote>
<p>I think this is related to a question I asked yesterday in the meeting:</p>
<blockquote>
<p>The only other thoughts regarding journeyperson stuff I had was surrounding criteria and the ettiquette around it (e.g. if I were a journeyperson I'd want to make sure I don't misrepresent what that means).</p>
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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/journeypeople%20inital%20conversation/near/159717186" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/journeypeople.20inital.20conversation.html#159717186">(Mar 01 2019 at 14:16)</a>:</h4>
<p>let me add something like that</p>



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<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<p>I don't know what the part about "Is there some sort of ettiquette that journeypeople should represent?" quite meant</p>
</blockquote>
<p>I think this is related to a question I asked yesterday in the meeting:</p>
<blockquote>
<p>The only other thoughts regarding journeyperson stuff I had was surrounding criteria and the ettiquette around it (e.g. if I were a journeyperson I'd want to make sure I don't misrepresent what that means).</p>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<p>yes</p>



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<p>unsure if I should tweak the text better</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/journeypeople%20inital%20conversation/near/159717325" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/journeypeople.20inital.20conversation.html#159717325">(Mar 01 2019 at 14:18)</a>:</h4>
<p>it's ok, I think open the PR, maybe we'll make a few suggestions</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/journeypeople%20inital%20conversation/near/159717396" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/journeypeople.20inital.20conversation.html#159717396">(Mar 01 2019 at 14:19)</a>:</h4>
<blockquote>
<p>I'm pretty happy with that summary. There's one or two places where I feel there could be more detail. For example:</p>
<blockquote>
<p>Does compiler team members freely propose them and the team make a final call?</p>
</blockquote>
<p>This point doesn't mention about the mentoring aspect of that suggestion. In that proposed process, a compiler team member nominates a new journeyperson, and is then responsible for mentoring and walking them through the responsibilities of that role, and then it is made final by other people from the compiler team agreeing.</p>
<p>But otherwise, it's great.</p>
</blockquote>
<p>for that added ... <code>  - Do compiler members that propose journeypersons are the ones that mentor them?</code></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/journeypeople%20inital%20conversation/near/159717406" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/journeypeople.20inital.20conversation.html#159717406">(Mar 01 2019 at 14:19)</a>:</h4>
<p>doing that now</p>



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<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116009">@nikomatsakis</span> <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116107">@davidtwco</span> <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/compiler-team/pull/23" target="_blank" title="https://github.com/rust-lang/compiler-team/pull/23">https://github.com/rust-lang/compiler-team/pull/23</a></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/journeypeople%20inital%20conversation/near/160046525" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/journeypeople.20inital.20conversation.html#160046525">(Mar 05 2019 at 22:25)</a>:</h4>
<p>I'm reading <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/compiler-team/pull/23/" target="_blank" title="https://github.com/rust-lang/compiler-team/pull/23/">https://github.com/rust-lang/compiler-team/pull/23/</a> -- it seems fine to me, but I see <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116107">@davidtwco</span> has a few uncommitted edits and things. <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116266">@Santiago Pastorino</span> do you want to merge those in ?</p>



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<p>I'd like to see it merged</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/journeypeople%20inital%20conversation/near/160046668" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/journeypeople.20inital.20conversation.html#160046668">(Mar 05 2019 at 22:26)</a>:</h4>
<p>one other thing is that I think maybe we should move the meeting minutes into individual files in a <code>minutes</code> directory -- at least I prefer that. I'd sort of like <code>NOTES.md</code> to be more of a "summary" of where things are at, prepared or updated more rarely, with the full minutes being add'l detail, but that's a side issue</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/journeypeople%20inital%20conversation/near/160100941" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/journeypeople.20inital.20conversation.html#160100941">(Mar 06 2019 at 14:40)</a>:</h4>
<blockquote>
<p>I'm reading <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/compiler-team/pull/23/" target="_blank" title="https://github.com/rust-lang/compiler-team/pull/23/">https://github.com/rust-lang/compiler-team/pull/23/</a> -- it seems fine to me, but I see <span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="116107">davidtwco</span> has a few uncommitted edits and things. <span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="116266">Santiago Pastorino</span> do you want to merge those in ?</p>
</blockquote>
<p>doing that now</p>



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<blockquote>
<p>one other thing is that I think maybe we should move the meeting minutes into individual files in a <code>minutes</code> directory -- at least I prefer that. I'd sort of like <code>NOTES.md</code> to be more of a "summary" of where things are at, prepared or updated more rarely, with the full minutes being add'l detail, but that's a side issue</p>
</blockquote>
<p>I guess we can make a separate PR for that</p>



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<p>great. I left some comments. <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116266">@Santiago Pastorino</span> I still see a few minor edits (e.g., adding "Written by"), or <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/compiler-team/pull/23/files#r261629738" target="_blank" title="https://github.com/rust-lang/compiler-team/pull/23/files#r261629738">this wording suggestion</a> that are probably worth taking</p>



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<p>strangely I don't seem to be able to "take" those suggestions</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/journeypeople%20inital%20conversation/near/160117804" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> davidtwco <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/journeypeople.20inital.20conversation.html#160117804">(Mar 06 2019 at 17:50)</a>:</h4>
<p>It would be nice to be able to present these questions to the compiler team at some point, ideally before our next meeting so we can discuss next steps.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/journeypeople%20inital%20conversation/near/160130868" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/journeypeople.20inital.20conversation.html#160130868">(Mar 06 2019 at 20:20)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116009">@nikomatsakis</span> <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116107">@davidtwco</span> addressed I guess all the comments <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/compiler-team/pull/23" target="_blank" title="https://github.com/rust-lang/compiler-team/pull/23">https://github.com/rust-lang/compiler-team/pull/23</a></p>



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<p>give it a last glance :)</p>



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<p>ok, let's merge :)</p>



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